germany, 170. and then you would include suicide and what is it in the u.s.? >> we have roughly something in order of 30,000 gun deaths a year, but the large majority are suicide. >> we're talking to paul barrett. when we come back, we will host a debate on the issue of gun violence in america. paul barrett's latest book is called, "glock: the rise of america's gun." stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the worst school bus occurred in u.s. history after virginia tech happened on friday. the new town sandy hook elementary school. 26 people gunned down. 20 of them 6 and 7-olds, six of them, all women, stabbed at the school. the school psychologist and the principal, after they tried to stop the shooter, and the teachers to try to protect their students. for more on the massacre, we're joined by two guests from washington, d.c., john velleco of the director of federal affairs for gun owners of america agreed also the crips federal lobbyist. and we're joined by christian heyne, t